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Lolich came within a batter of a complete game also. mets I recall one year where he had 121 RBI's. I simply loved to see him walk onto the mound; I knew that we as a ball club would be a winner any time he pitched, but as they always say time moves on, but our memory is always around. June 30, 2019 We are going all the way!" The plan was apparently: Vail LF/RF, Kingman LF/RF/1B, Milner, LF/RF/1B for those three spots. Reading this brings back my memory of the trade that sent Rusty packing to Detroit. I remember that the Daily News at the time would have a one-page section on Sunday that showed some of the athletes with their families away from the ballpark. March 18, 2001 The trade was a great one for the Tigers and yet another whopper in a long history of bad trades for the Mets. Mickey was featured riding his motorcyle. They did not let him pitch the way he wanted. The fact of the matter is New York is a what have you done for me lately kind of city, and when Lolich came to the Mets he pitched like a nobody. So when your "inning eater" goes 220 and gets a bonus it's beyond comprehension. His not being elected to Cooperstown is a major oversight. October 4, 2006 September 29, 2007 Mickey Lolich was the greatest left handed pitcher in the whole world to me in 1968, He was even greater than Denny. And yes, maybe Koosman had losing years in the late 70's but he had been a Met long enough with a winning record that the fans rooted for him. May 6, 2003 Lolich - donuts Staub - steak.The food metaphor of trading a steak for a donut is accurate in this and many Mets trades.Would love to see a book written with lists and analysis of all Mets trades. He was overweight and kind of babyfaced but I don't remember anyone being more focused or a battler. Really? April 30, 2009 April 23, 2003 15. 170 pounds, maybe not but here's a fact: hurled 376 innings in the early 70's. December 8, 2006 Other than some one saying he ate donuts rather than come back to NY, does anyone know the real reason why he didn't pitch in 77? He normally threw lots of pitches and completed a high percentage of his games. 170 pounds, maybe not but here's a fact: hurled 376 innings in the early 70's. October 2, 2005 We are going all the way!" Three bad starts on 8/3 and 8/13 as well as his next to last start on 9/15 is what really bloated his ERA, not that 3.22 even in the '70s was that shabby.Yes, he was far removed from his prime but to say he sucked is pretty short sighted and flies in the face of the fact that he pitched well enough to be a 12-15 game winner, but then this is the same year Seaver pitched Cy Young caliber ball and went only 14-11. December 8, 2006 pete Raymond Malcuit October 13, 2008 Usually a bad trade doesn't reveal itself as bad until later when the player that came clearly is not working out. Lolich was a good one, underrated and dominating at times. The Lolich for Rusty Staub trade might be the first and only trade where two players who were well known for food establishments were traded for each other. He lost 39 games his last two seasons in Detroit, with an obese ERA both years. October 4, 2005 eddiek Bob P That's more realistic but generous, I think! Everything from notable pioneers, celebrities, vintage ads, and much much more! mets And at most, I'll have two in one day. September 25, 2013 God bless him wherever he is and good luck! We are going all the way!" C'mon John, the Mets did the Tigers a huge favor by taking this washed-up pitcher off their hands and giving them a great hitter like Rusty. I would put Rusty for Lolich in second place. July 15, 2016 For a fourth starter, on a four man rotation, Lolich was decent. The two 13-inning games didn't even count for complete games because they went 15 innings! November 10, 2002 The fact that he pitched four consecutive 300+ inning years; that's like 10 years in today's game. Mickey was finished and Rusty still had about 8-10 years left, even though the last couple were solely as a pinch hitter. Yes, he was far removed from his prime but to say he sucked is pretty short sighted and flies in the face of the fact that he pitched well enough to be a 12-15 game winner, but then this is the same year Seaver pitched Cy Young caliber ball and went only 14-11. June 30, 2019 Mickey did a few good games with the Mets as well as a couple shutouts. John, we know the condition the team was in when Lolich got here. Mickey Lolich did not want to come to the Mets. October 18, 2008 The Tigers had some great years back in the late 60's and early 70's- much like the Mets. I simply loved to see him walk onto the mound; I knew that we as a ball club would be a winner any time he pitched, but as they always say time moves on, but our memory is always around. to realizing he was one of the worst trades in Mets history, before Seaver went to the Reds. October 18, 2008 Peter The Tigers had some great years back in the late 60's and early 70's- much like the Mets. Rusty played another decade. Bartolo Colon etc). Shickhaus Franks =Chuck= And of course Lolich did not want to be here, and the fans did not want him here either, so I am sure that's why he skipped town the next year. I simply loved to see him walk onto the mound; I knew that we as a ball club would be a winner any time he pitched, but as they always say time moves on, but our memory is always around. However, I remember Lolich as being quite portly, so his true weight was a lot more than 170 pounds. November 3, 2006 I had never heard my mother get so angry at a Mets player. OK it was a terrible trade. I saw Lolich pitch at Shea on July 29, 1976, a Thursday afternoon game following morning showers, probably a getaway game, attended by a sparse crowd of 12,588. eddiek Former Detroit Tigers pitcher Mickey Lolich looks on and smiles before throwing out the ceremonial first pitch prior to the Opening Day game between. December 24, 2001 April 23, 2003 Mickey pitched almost 200 innings in 76, gave up less hits than innings and his era was in the low 3.00's. He led the Tigers to their second last-place finish in their 76-year history. Mickey was a great pitcher but was not happy in New York. So he went from being the long-time Tiger Ace (and best Tiger- the 1968 World Series was won by him- and also almost the 1972 Playoffs) to just a nobody for New York- can you blame him for this back-stabbing trade by Tiger management? Pitchers have good days and then once in a while they hang a curve? to realizing he was one of the worst trades in Mets history, before Seaver went to the Reds. I wish the Mets had a pitcher today with a 3.22 ERA. In one of his best games as a Met, hefty lefty Lolich (no doubt the prototype for David Wells), tossed 8 innings, allowing 8 hits and 2 walks while striking out 4, the only run scoring on a fourth-inning groundout by a young Dave Parker.Alas, with the Mets historically typical poor run support, Lolich left, trailing 1-0, for pinch hitter Mike Phillips, who fanned for the 2nd out of the ninth, before singles by Ed Kranepool (batting for Leon Brown) and Bruce Boisclair and a walk to John Milner loaded the bases for Joe Torre. "We had the Vietnam War, Woodstock, social changes all around us. Shari 6'1", 170???? Take a look at his stats on baseball-reference and you will shake your head. But what can you expect when the team only averaged 3.4 runs for Seaver per start and 3.3 for Lolich? Ok, the height is correct but make no mistake,a consistent, determined winner, Mickey Lolich was in the spotlight throughout his career. I have to respectfully disagree with NYB Buff's claim that Lolich belongs in Cooperstown. March 22, 2005 Mickey loved his Harley. mets But I have to say, I laughed out loud when I saw his physical statistics on this site. He had a 2.59 ERA at the end of July. Lolich was still productive but he was never accepted in New York because of whom he was traded for. 376 innings. (With three lefties and a Seaver, the Mets were lefty killers) But the Mets needed hitting. The fact that he pitched four consecutive 300+ inning years; that's like 10 years in today's game. Lolich was still productive but he was never accepted in New York because of whom he was traded for. Let's understand one thing: this wasn't a "trade" in the traditional sense. support. I'll start with full disclosure: I was (and still am) bitter that the Mets gave up one of my favorite players, Rusty Staub, to get Lolich-- who was well past his prime. He later resurfaced with the Padres. Mickey Lolich was one of the greatest left-handers of all-time, no matter his size or shape. August 7, 2018 Lolich for Rusty Staub: As young Met fans this trade astounded us. Then Vail hurt his ankle playing Basketball and he was never the same. A Staub-Kingman combo would have provided more run support for big three, and probably a 90+ win season. September 12, 2002 God bless him wherever he is and good luck! You can't trade Rusty Staub without instantly improving team speed". Not to say the trade wasn't awful - but come on! I recall one year where he had 121 RBI's. Gary from Chesapeake I don't know if Mickey belongs in Cooperstown but he sure deserved more than 25% of the vote which was his highest showing. Take a look at his stats on baseball-reference and you will shake your head. He made the all- star team 3 times, led the AL in wins once, shutouts once, complete games once, innings once, strikeouts once, and losses TWICE.He finished second (1971) and third (1972) in the Cy Young race, and he never finished higher than TENTH PLACE in the league in ERA (finished tenth in both 1971 and 1972).Baseball Reference lists among his top ten in similarity scores: Jerry Koosman, Jerry Reuss, Rick Reuschel, Luis Tiant, Vida Blue, and Joe Niekro.All of that tells me Lolich in his prime was a good pitcher, but nowhere near a HOFer. If he had finished his career in Detroit, he probably would have been elected to the Hall Of Fame, with perhaps two more seasons of 15 wins. I'll take Mickey's pitching line - except for W&L - any time. =Chuck= Let me say that again, 376 and that's without a pitch count. Shickhaus Franks (And of course Donald Grant) The Mets had to fill 2 corner outfield spots and first base. Rusty has always been a fan favorite so if you're going to trade him it better be worth it, and to most of us Mets fans Lolich wasn't. June 2, 2006 Tigers Mickey Lolich signed Jersey WCOA. November 10, 2002 September 25, 2013 Then Vail hurt his ankle playing Basketball and he was never the same. Usually a bad trade doesn't reveal itself as bad until later when the player that came clearly is not working out. (With three lefties and a Seaver, the Mets were lefty killers) But the Mets needed hitting. He was a big (emphasis: BIG) bust in New York. eddiek body would be a pretty slender person. Bob P He started 45 games and completed 29. My memory is that while the Mets' front office had made dumb and abysmal trades in the past, this was one that just made no sense in any way, shape, or form. - Now for the trade itself. pete April 27, 2013 For a fourth starter, on a four man rotation, Lolich was decent. Cut him some slack. Ken Akerman This figure has only been beaten by three other left-handed pitchers in the years since Lolich set the Major League record. Mickey Lolich was the greatest left handed pitcher in the whole world to me in 1968, He was even greater than Denny. Mickey had a lifetime 3.44 ERA and 2832 strikeouts. Did you boo him or make fun out of him? The point is he made a bad team worse. October 13, 2008 His three wins in the 1968 Series against the Cardinals were the apex of his career. Lolich was signed by the Detroit Tigers as an amateur free agent at age 17 on June 30, 1958. Jamey Bumbalo February 25, 2003 We felt the same way when the Mets traded away Seaver and got back mediocre players for him. Jamey Bumbalo January 12, 2011 Reading this brings back my memory of the trade that sent Rusty packing to Detroit. Three bad starts on 8/3 and 8/13 as well as his next to last start on 9/15 is what really bloated his ERA, not that 3.22 even in the '70s was that shabby.Yes, he was far removed from his prime but to say he sucked is pretty short sighted and flies in the face of the fact that he pitched well enough to be a 12-15 game winner, but then this is the same year Seaver pitched Cy Young caliber ball and went only 14-11. Lolich may have gone 8-13 in 1976 but Koosman did even worse the next two years (1977 and 1978). In San Diego they had a fan club for him called the Mickey Lolich Gut Club. Bobster1985 He later came back to play for the Padres. Although I'd rather have a hitter like Rusty, you have to admit, Mickey Lolich's ERA was a very respectable 3.22. Too bad we waited until '76 to bring him in, although his numbers indicated a lack of run support. He pitched over 300 innings for 4 years in a row, coming close to 400 one year. I'll start with full disclosure: I was (and still am) bitter that the Mets gave up one of my favorite players, Rusty Staub, to get Lolich-- who was well past his prime. I'll start with full disclosure: I was (and still am) bitter that the Mets gave up one of my favorite players, Rusty Staub, to get Lolich-- who was well past his prime. The two 13-inning games didn't even count for complete games because they went 15 innings! There were some games where the Mets did not give him support. Shickhaus Franks Mr. Sparkle And of course Lolich did not want to be here, and the fans did not want him here either, so I am sure that's why he skipped town the next year. He lost 39 games his last two seasons in Detroit, with an obese ERA both years. October 19, 2011 Ok, the height is correct but make no mistake,a consistent, determined winner, Mickey Lolich was in the spotlight throughout his career. If he had finished his career in Detroit, he probably would have been elected to the Hall Of Fame, with perhaps two more seasons of 15 wins. But what can you expect when the team only averaged 3.4 runs for Seaver per start and 3.3 for Lolich? But what can you expect when the team only averaged 3.4 runs for Seaver per start and 3.3 for Lolich? And yes, maybe Koosman had losing years in the late 70's but he had been a Met long enough with a winning record that the fans rooted for him. April 30, 2009 (Note: others featured in that section were the Knicks' Toby Knight and his wife and Rangers enforcer Nick Fotiu and his very leggy wife and kids)I also had the unfortunate opportunity to score the game against the Phillies where pitcher Larry Christensen belted TWO home runs off Lolich on a hot Sunday afternoon. Lolich finished his career 12th on the all-time strikeout list with 2,832, second only to Steve Carlton among left-handers. But I have to say, I laughed out loud when I saw his physical statistics on this site. As a kid collecting baseball cards and watching ballgames in the '70s, I remember being struck by Lolich's belly. Shari - Now for the trade itself. Mickey loved his Harley. April 23, 2003 2005-2023 CBS INTERACTIVE ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. And complaining about how fat he was? The fact that he pitched four consecutive 300+ inning years; that's like 10 years in today's game. Maybe when he was 15 years old he was 170, but at no point in his major league career was he ever 170. support. Raymond Malcuit He had terrific stuff. The Mets traded the best player they ever had for a bunch of stiffs. Bob P As somebody mentioned previously, this is really all Mike Vail's fault. How Mickey still had an arm when he pitched for us is amazing. Baseball burnt him out. Maudlin, anecdotal sentiment at its best! April 30, 2009 As for all the innings Lolich pitched in Detroit, in today's game 300 innings is comparable to two full seasons, what with pitch counts and constantly babying starting pitchers. ''They think ex-major leaguers should be vice presidents of companies. Lolich committed to playing 2 years for the Mets, but then reneged on that promise. support. A Staub-Kingman combo would have provided more run support for big three, and probably a 90+ win season. support. C'mon John, the Mets did the Tigers a huge favor by taking this washed-up pitcher off their hands and giving them a great hitter like Rusty. Lolich may have been a great pitcher once, but by 1976 he was a has-been. Maybe when he was 15 years old he was 170, but at no point in his major league career was he ever 170. His era of 3.22 is only .09% more than 20-game winner Carlton for the Phils. As for all the innings Lolich pitched in Detroit, in today's game 300 innings is comparable to two full seasons, what with pitch counts and constantly babying starting pitchers. Cut him some slack. And complaining about how fat he was? There were some games where the Mets did not give him support. They did not let him pitch the way he wanted. The plan was apparently: Vail LF/RF, Kingman LF/RF/1B, Milner, LF/RF/1B for those three spots. He may have left behind a fine legacy in Detroit but when he got to New York he stunk.You weren't happy with Rusty and we weren't happy with Lolich, so let's just call the trade a wash. Case closed. 170 lbs.? (thankfully returning in '81). Like Seaver and Koosman, Mickey had pretty meager run support throughout his career. LA-Mets Raymond Malcuit Shari Shari My memory is that while the Mets' front office had made dumb and abysmal trades in the past, this was one that just made no sense in any way, shape, or form. September 25, 2013 He had a 2.59 ERA at the end of July. God bless him wherever he is and good luck! NYB Buff You can't be serious. Donut Shoppe Patron Let me say that again, 376 and that's without a pitch count. He told the New York Press, he pitched with his head and arm not his abdomen. May 24, 2002 The fact of the matter is New York is a what have you done for me lately kind of city, and when Lolich came to the Mets he pitched like a nobody. Mickey was born on September 12, 1940 in Portland, OR. Not that THAT did squat for the Mets! Another guy who didn't get enough run support, and - yes - he ended up being blamed for the Staub trade rather than Grant himself. August 11, 2015 His era of 3.22 is only .09% more than 20-game winner Carlton for the Phils. He normally threw lots of pitches and completed a high percentage of his games. I recall one year where he had 121 RBI's. I don't know, I'm not a Mets expert. Lolich may have gone 8-13 in 1976 but Koosman did even worse the next two years (1977 and 1978). But in his final season with the Tigers, he became the all-time leader in strikeouts for left-handed pitchers. ''This must be our day,'' said an elderly man in a Tiger cap, two grandchildren in tow. October 18, 2008 Lolich was a fine pitcher. Maybe when he was 15 years old he was 170, but at no point in his major league career was he ever 170. But I have to say, I laughed out loud when I saw his physical statistics on this site. He started 45 games and completed 29. April 24, 2003 Mickey pitched almost 200 innings in 76, gave up less hits than innings and his era was in the low 3.00's. I looked him up in The Sports Encyclopedia 2002 and they have 6' and 210 lbs. pete He later resurfaced with the Padres. My memory is that while the Mets' front office had made dumb and abysmal trades in the past, this was one that just made no sense in any way, shape, or form. How Mickey still had an arm when he pitched for us is amazing. Mets players and personnel who are no longer with us. Shickhaus Franks bogeyman Shari However, I remember Lolich as being quite portly, so his true weight was a lot more than 170 pounds. McLain got all the publicity but Lolich got the wins in post season 1968. You can't be serious. He started 45 games and completed 29. However, Mets management, in their infinite wisdom, wanted to trade Rusty Staub so badly, that they were willing to get anything in return, and actually had to go to great lengths to convince Lolich to come to the Mets. Lolich - donuts Staub - steak.The food metaphor of trading a steak for a donut is accurate in this and many Mets trades.Would love to see a book written with lists and analysis of all Mets trades. For a fourth starter, on a four man rotation, Lolich was decent. But Don Grant was bananas, and he took the first decent offer he received. Too bad we waited until '76 to bring him in, although his numbers indicated a lack of run support. Take a look at his stats on baseball-reference and you will shake your head. The point is he made a bad team worse. Man, he was a big one. May 8, 2003 Staub a great fielder with a great arm? May 7, 2013 What a sore disapppointment it was to see Staub take over rightfield (with his gnat's piss arm) after watching Kaline out in right all of those years in Detroit. There were some games where the Mets did not give him support. C'mon John, the Mets did the Tigers a huge favor by taking this washed-up pitcher off their hands and giving them a great hitter like Rusty. Mickey Lolich is one of my favorite players. I don't know if Mickey belongs in Cooperstown but he sure deserved more than 25% of the vote which was his highest showing. I'll take Mickey's pitching line - except for W&L - any time. But the facts are:Lolich spent 16 years in the Majors. The two 13-inning games didn't even count for complete games because they went 15 innings! September 29, 2007 That's pretty good this day in age. How Mickey still had an arm when he pitched for us is amazing. Dianna Jeanneh Jones The plan was apparently: Vail LF/RF, Kingman LF/RF/1B, Milner, LF/RF/1B for those three spots. He still knew how to pitch but had no run support to get him a winning record. 3.50 was more of a mediocre E.R.A in those days.About his profile of 6'1" and 170 lbs., I looked him up in the Baseball Encyclopedia and that's what they have. Nutty. May 6, 2003 He told the New York Press, he pitched with his head and arm not his abdomen. 6'1", 170???? Believe me if he pitched like the ace he was in Detroit no one here would have been so quick to criticize the trade. As somebody mentioned previously, this is really all Mike Vail's fault. Really? I don't know, I'm not a Mets expert. All our Donuts are produced daily and hand-finished and include some of the DUNKIN' Originals such as the Boston Crme & Glazed Ring to varieties like the delicious Rocky Road. February 25, 2003 Five years before he became a Met, Lolich threw for 376 innings! He pitched over 300 innings for 4 years in a row, coming close to 400 one year. According to his profile above, his height and weight are listed as follows:Height: 6.01 Weight: 170170 pounds on a 6 ft. 1 in. Then Vail hurt his ankle playing Basketball and he was never the same. Al He was a big (emphasis: BIG) bust in New York. - Now for the trade itself. Mickey was at the tail end of his career when he came to the Mets. When he was with the Mets, I gave him the name "TOO MUCH EATER" but then again the Orange and Blue has always had big boned hurlers (El Sid. His three wins in the 1968 Series against the Cardinals were the apex of his career. That would make him a star in today's market. But what can you expect when the team only averaged 3.4 runs for Seaver per start and 3.3 for Lolich? They were starting their descent into oblivion and the Staub trade was step in that direction. July 15, 2016

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